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my cousin had one and thw plastic felt flimsey like as if the screws werent completely in. i own an sks and they are a much better value, you can get much bigger mags, mags are easier to get a hold of, they arent flimsy or plastic, ammo is cheaper, it is much easier to clean. but the 9mm is better for home defense, especially if you are using speer's gold dot

I have a hi-point in 9mm good gun for the money and they will repair it for you no charge even if you got it used. good gun for the $$$ great service

Hey gwp4ever I saw a video on the new PMC frangibles and they turn to powder when they hit the metal targets.That is one that I fear would get caught in an intruder's sweatshirt.They do say it cleans the gun every time you shoot it but I would be concerned about penetration with it.The video showed a sharpshooter(police)shoot a metal plate and it turned to powder,I don't know.Drop-Shot

I have the Marlin 9mm carbine and I think it is the best of 9mm carbines. I bought it new a while back for $225. You can get high caps for it also. I reload and have a load that will constantly break clay pigeons laid on the ground at 100 yrds off hand. Also Marlin is very good about repairs. One of my children somehow got a bullet lodged in the barrel and when I could not get it out Marlin replaced the barrel under warranty.

The Hi-Point is a GREAT gun, mine is the 9mm, haven't shot the 40 yet. Fun to shoot, pretty accurate and almost bullet-proof. At least mine is. I shoot a lot of Wolf and never have had a problem. I've shot Winchester, Federal and Olympia and not one single jam, misfeed or FTE. Not one. Plus all Hi-Points are able to take +p+ ammo, even the pistols. When I take it to the range, everybody wants to shoot it. I have a BSA Red-Dot sight on mine. The owner of one of the gun shop's I go to told me that he sells on the average two a month, and they are word of mouth purchases, or someone saw one at the range.

Many "gun" folks call it a cheap, pot-metal, piece of crap. Of course, while they are clearing jams and cleaning their guns at the range, I'm still shooting my "Pot-metal piece of crap".

The gun does have one drawback. It is a real pain to take apart to give it a really good cleaning.

If you do get one, use only the Hi-Point mags. Also before you shoot it, You'll have to load the mags and manually cycle the bolt to "break" the mag in. They are pretty stiff when they are new. I usually load a new mag with 5 rounds, cycle the bolt manually, eject all 5 and then load 7, do it again and then load all 10 and do it again. You may have to repeat this a few times, but it's worth it.

Even though I have a 12 gauge pump, I use the Hi-Point as my HD weapon, using 135 grain Federal Hydra-Shoks. It's easier to carry and because the way the grip is designed, you can almost hold it like a pistol.

It is a great gun and well worth the cash. Don't let the gun snobs talk you out of it.

I go to a indoor shooting range and you can rent any gun or just shoot your own guns,I watched as others shot the 40 cal version,at 25 yards they group better than most hanguns because of the shoulder mount instead of free hand shooting.I like them but will never own one cause like wwb said "It's not my cup of tea" but for those that want one,go for it.For home defense I have many many choices,I carry a baby eagle nine in 9mm with frangibles like the air marshells use and a mossberg 9 shot persuader with 00 buckshot.Drop-Shot

Drop-Shot,

I posted the message above yours. It always surprises me that when I go to the range and pull the Hi-Point out, I get someone that asks what kind of gun it is, blah, blah, blah.

This past Sunday, one of the guys at the range had a H&K 9mm pistol. Forget the model, because I wasn't paying too much attention, but it was a high-dollar job, I think it was a cop version. Anyway he was a nice enough guy but kept reminding me about how great his gun was and how much he knew about guns and shooting and was basically a "can you top this" kind of guy. We had about 10 or 12 guns between us, everything from a 22 Beretta auto pistol to a AR and a Benelli M-1 auto shotgun. I had the Hi-Point in the back of the truck, it was laying in the case and there was a drop cloth covering part of it up. We had been shooting it and everything else, so I was loading some mags for it, and I pulled it out from under the cloth so I could shoot it again.

He sees it and asks what it was. Mine has a homemade camo paint scheme, light-green, light-grey, off-white and black. I tell him it's a Hi-Point. He proceeds to tell me how crappy Hi-Points are, but he didn't recognize it when I pulled it out. We were shooting bowling pins from 50 yards and broken clays and just generally plinking. So after I shoot the first 10 rounds, he asks if he could try it. So of course, I give him the gun and three loaded mags. After he shoots all three mags, he tells me he can't believe how accurate it was for a cheap gun and how everytime he pulled the trigger it went bang. I asked if he was expecting it to blow up in his face. He looked at me funny and said that he "heard" that Hi-Points were crap, but he never shot one and was going by word of mouth and gun reviews. We shot 300 rounds out of the Hi-Point. I only shot 40 rounds. Everyone else wanted to shoot the "crappy" gun.

His H&K. Jammed twice on him. I shot it and it worked fine for me. I also have a Charles Daly 12 gauge Field Tactical pump shotgun, which according to a lot of folks, is crap too. But, I've never had a problem with it. It goes bang when you pull the trigger and when you rack the slide, the next round chambers.

I'm still trying to figure all this "expert" advice out

Vin

The HiPoint is better than nothing. The reason his H&K jammed more often than your HiPoint is most likely because of tolerances. The tolerances are WAY loose in the HiPoint, kinda like the old GI-issued 1911s. If you shake either of them, you get a lot of rattling (at least the HiPoints I shook did). Quite often, firearms with very tight tolerances (I'm sure his sidearm did) can have slight reliability problems. AK-47s have very loose tolerances, and they'll shoot after being under mud. AR-15s have pretty tight tolerances, and you DEFINATELY don't want to get them dirty, because the bolt just won't move (personal experience with this one.... it sucks). Another thing might be the ammo, but that mostly just compounds the tolerance problem.

Like I said, the HiPoint is better than nothing. If you want a cheap plinker, it's worth the money. If you want something for home defense but you're strapped for cash, it's better than a baseball bat.

I'm not much for buying cheap firearms but im going to get a 9mm carbine from highpoint. I know two people who have them. Both have red dot sights on them and they a fun gun to shoot. I must have run a few hundred rounds through them and neither one ever had any problems. But the pistols are junk. I know three people that have highpoint pistols 1 has 9mm and other two have 45 cal All have broken and misfired many times.

Hi wired,

It would seem that you are right about the tolerances of the Hi-Point. Although I wouldn't try it, I bet that you could probably put one or two hundred rounds through it and not clean it, pull it out 6 months later and it would probably still work without a problem.

It has it's drawbacks. The trigger sucks. The stock is cheap. The bolt and bolt carrier looks like it came out of some kind of Russian farm implement. It is a real pain to take apart and give it a thorough cleaning. The fit and finish leave something to be desired. There are no aftermarket parts for it, other than ProMag magazines. Hi-Point does sell a muzzle brake and a light/laser mount and the laser to go with it. That's about it.

But, Hi-Point has a lifetime, no questions asked warranty, wether you bought the gun new or are the 12th owner. It goes bang when you pull the trigger. It shoots Wolf ammo as good as high priced stuff. It's fairly accurate and mine has not malfunctioned once and I'll bet I have close to 2,000 rounds through it. It takes +p+ ammo and hollow points do not get hung up when the are being chambered. Is it better than nothing. You bet. Is it as good as say a Ruger PC-9 or the Beretta CX-4. Fit and finish wise, and craftmanship, no, not even close. Functionality. I would say yes.

It is a inexpensive, reliable plinker. I really like mine, and the guys I shoot with like it as well. It's just a fun gun. As for the Hi-Point pistols, I never shot one and don't know anyone who owns one, so I can't make a judgement on that.

I would recommend the Hi-Point to anyone looking for a inexpensive, reliable, center fire rifle.

I got a hi point carbine for Christmas, just brought it to the range and outshoot a friend with the beretta carbine. Thats not to bad considering I can buy the gun and over a thousand rounds of ammo for what he paid for the beretta.

The only thing I have ever heard negetive is a man and awomen shot for compitition between the two and the man lost,what a bummer,he said if he lost they would take a cruise.I guess she had a good reason to try extra hard.Poor Bast--D,he should have practiced too.DropShot

I just bought the High Point carbine In 9mm last week and took it out last weekend. I am an SKS lover but was pleasantly surprised w/ the Hi Point. Shot 200 rounds of Wolf and Sellier & Bellot with no feed problems at all. Surprisingly accurate at 100 yds.It was also very comfortable to shoot. It is kinda ugly and a PITA to take down, but for the price, you cant beat it. Im thinking of getting the 40 S&W now.

Another satisfied Hi-Point customer. Here's a Hi-Point cleaning tip. Instead of taking the thing apart everytime you shoot it, spray the crap out of the action with Brakekleen (green can) by CRC. You can do it this way and then every 4th or 5th time, you can take it apart and clean it really good. The thing is like an AK. You could probably shoot 500 rounds through it, bury it, dig it up 6 months later and it would still work.

Wolf ammo works as good as Winchester or Federal. Mine shoots Wolf better than the above mentioned, plus Olympia.

I use Rem Oil for a lube on my 9.

Viva Hi-Point!

I don't belive my ears! I owned one of the 9mm nickel
plated versions and it was the worst gun I ever bought.
Owned a factory mag and a pro mag and both wouldnt
fuction reliably unless I loaded only seven rounds in
then[real drag as I like mags with lots of capacity].
No matter how well I cleaned and lubbed this POS
the spent shells would find away to stovepipe. If
you use this as a HD piece then you put your life
in danger.