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 Post subject: 358 v 444 v 405?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:13 pm 
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I want a hard hitting lever, the ones that interest me are Savage 99 in 358Win, Marlin .444 and a Winchester 1895 in 405Win. What is the most reliable rifle and best cartridge for pigs?


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 Post subject: re: 358 v 444 v 405?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:56 pm 
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All of those would have plenty of oomph for pigs, but if it was me, looking for a lever-action hog gun, I'd get a Marlin in 45-70 since you want a thumper. It is liable to be an expensive proposition finding a 99 Savage in 358, or a 95 Win in 405.

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 Post subject: re: 358 v 444 v 405?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:35 pm 
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The last 1895 Winchester in 405 I saw was close to 1500.00,thats a little steep for me,the 405 has a fine reputation for killing but ammo is hard to find around here,the 444 is a 44 mag bullet loaded to 444 velocitys.Untill they make an expandable bullet that works reliably at 444 velocitys I am staying away from them,I have seen too many hits and no animal down!The last one was a muley shot at 55 yards,the bullet went in only 2 or 3 inches and exploded,a single lung damaged.I went back to the place the next day and my dog found the muley still alive,he was shot again by the same guy that shot him with his 444 the previous day.I loaned him a 30/06 for the final shot.
The 358 win in a Savage 99 358 is like the previous post said hard to find and expensive when found.With only Winchester making ammo for 358 win and super hard to find I would wait on 358 to make sure other ammo companys make it before buying one,unless you reload,then I say 358 win for sure.
Just for kicks think about the 45/70,Marlin makes a super rifle for that round and ammo is readily available.Just my take on things and my opinions.Drop-Shot

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 Post subject: re: 358 v 444 v 405?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:01 am 
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as usual, i gotta agree with D-S. my son has a Marlin 45-70 that'll put three slugs within an inch and a quarter all day long (it's scoped with a nice clear Burris).
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 Post subject: re: 358 v 444 v 405?
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I'll throw in my 2 cents worth as well. The Marlin 45-70's are great guns.

I would stay away from the early model guide guns that have the ported barrel though. They can make your ears ring for while. :roll:

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 Post subject: re: 358 v 444 v 405?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:23 pm 
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:lol: Probably the .45-70 is the cheapest way to go in the Marlin, that is for sure. But I do like my .358 for hog hunting. 8)

Zerbie, How did deer season go!!!!Most of the guys I heard from In
Pa. were happy to shoot a doe. :cry:


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:34 pm 
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Hi Wyo.
I saw very few deer this year. I used to see about a dozen before noon on the first Monday. This year I didn't see a live deer till the first Wednesday and then it was a couple small does. About the only way you could see a deer for most of that first week was to hunt them like rabbits. You had to go around kicking old treetops and such to get them to get up and go! I finally did get a crippled 6 pt on the first Saturday. A whopping 10 yard shot with the 300wby! One shot through the neck just below the base of the skull.

We had snow last Saturday. Just about everywhere we followed deer tracks there were also coyote tracks there. :evil:

I'm going to have to dust off the flintlocks and go out after Christmas. I still have a doe tag and my sons still have tags.

My brother's family ended up with three small bucks and a doe. My younger son got a doe in the October muzzle loader season. I guess that even though we didn't see many deer this year, we actually didn't do that badly.

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 Post subject: re: 358 v 444 v 405?
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Zerbe I did something similar when I first got my 300 Weatherby,the muley was eating about 25 yards in front of me,I shot him and he jumped forward and looked around and went back to eating,I was shocked and frozen,before I could put another in the chamber he fell over.We get long range shooters and have them on top of us,oh well,dead is dead.
Good shooting on your deer,congrats bud.Drop-Shot

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A .444 Marlin stuffed with 300 grain cast lead bullets would be baaaad medicine for hogs. I haven't had the opportunity to use my .444 on a porker yet, but my 30-30 and .44 Mag Marlin leverguns have each scored.


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 Post subject: Re: 358 v 444 v 405?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:09 pm 
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I enjoy reading all the posts to the lever gun column regardless of age. Surprised no one updated this column on the .444 Marlin with the Hornady LeveRevolution 265 gr bullet. Impressive ballistic performance. Used one on a bear hunt in Ontario in 2011. Can't say enough about what a great job it did. The bear didn't run 15 yards before it piled up. The exit wound was impressive. My buddy was using a Marlin in 45/70 and thought the .444 with that bullet was easily it's equal. Sixgun


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 Post subject: Re: 358 v 444 v 405?
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Hi sixgun,the above posts were made before the introduction of the newer and better 444 bullets from Hornady and I would revisit my last thoughts on the 444 now.
I don't have a 444 Marlin but if I run into one at a decent price I may just have to take a closer look.
I already own a Browning BLR in 358 win and a 1895 Marlin in 45/70 so I'm not in a hurry.
My brother in law has a Marlin 444 and won't sell or trade it as he loves it.
With in introduction of newer and better rubber pointed bullets he has became a 444 addict.
By the way he also has the new Lever Revolution Powder Hornady makes and loves his 444 but he still calls it a 100 yard gun but then again you very seldom have a shot longer than that anyway.
Do you feel limited on distance like my brother in law?

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 Post subject: Re: 358 v 444 v 405?
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I wish I could say I've had the opportunity to put it to the test. Took the rifle to Colorado on a elk hunt back in October but didn't see anything to shoot. Other folks I've talked to say they wouldn't have a problem taking 150-200 yd shots with the LeveRevolution round. I bought a scope from Cabela's that was specially made and calibrated to the .444. Shoots well at 200 yds.


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