Anyone have hands-on experience with either or both of these in standard calibers like 243, 308, 270, 30-06?
Fit and finish? Accuracy? Thanks!
Fit and finish? Accuracy? Thanks!
I wish it were just a stigma. That Stainless Ruger 77 I pictured is just 5 years old. In the Mini 14 the horrible inaccuracy is a result of Rugers assembly procedures. When they install the gas block on the barrel it usually results in the barrel being bent. They have never been able to correct this. Or else they just don't give a damn. It is the reason for the gun "walking" all over the target when the barrel heats up. In all of my trips to ranges both here in Arizona in the last 17 years, and in 38 years in Chicago, the most inaccurate rifles I've seen across the board were Rugers. What irritates me most is they can be made accurate. Both Volquartsen and Accuracy International have built companies around doing something Ruger cannot, making their guns accurate. There are scores of "tricks" out there about forend tension to make #1's shoot. Why doesn't Ruger build them right in the first place? MSRP of a Ruger #1 is now into 4 digits. That money will buy you far more accuracy on the open market. I've known several people who have sent rifles back to Ruger, complaining about terrible accuracy, and all have gotten the same, lame response. "The gun shoots within factory specs." They need to revise their "Specs." My other bitch about Ruger is their attitude toward customers regarding Hi-Cap magazines for their guns. In this regard they talk out of both sides of their mouths with their policy. First off Bill Ruger has said on national television that "No man "needs" a magazine that holds over 10 rounds". Yet, in spite of Ruger being dead, they still administer this policy from his grave. But it seems only on certain guns. You can buy 15 round magazines for their 9MM pistols, but not 20 rounders for the Mini 14. This forces their customers to buy aftermarket mags that don't feed worth crap, or else pay between $40.00 and $60.00 for Ruger Hi-Caps on the open market. Total nonsense no matter how you cut it. I like Ruger handguns, and own many. All are accurate. But Ruger needs to address this inaccuracy problem that has dogged them for decades. And to stop being anti gun with their own products. Bill T.luv2safari said:The stigma still follows them.
Oh boy............. :roll:billt said:I wish it were just a stigma. That Stainless Ruger 77 I pictured is just 5 years old. In the Mini 14 the horrible inaccuracy is a result of Rugers assembly procedures. When they install the gas block on the barrel it usually results in the barrel being bent. They have never been able to correct this. Or else they just don't give a damn. It is the reason for the gun "walking" all over the target when the barrel heats up. In all of my trips to ranges both here in Arizona in the last 17 years, and in 38 years in Chicago, the most inaccurate rifles I've seen across the board were Rugers. What irritates me most is they can be made accurate. Both Volquartsen and Accuracy International have built companies around doing something Ruger cannot, making their guns accurate. There are scores of "tricks" out there about forend tension to make #1's shoot. Why doesn't Ruger build them right in the first place? MSRP of a Ruger #1 is now into 4 digits. That money will buy you far more accuracy on the open market. I've known several people who have sent rifles back to Ruger, complaining about terrible accuracy, and all have gotten the same, lame response. "The gun shoots within factory specs." They need to revise their "Specs." My other bitch about Ruger is their attitude toward customers regarding Hi-Cap magazines for their guns. In this regard they talk out of both sides of their mouths with their policy. First off Bill Ruger has said on national television that "No man "needs" a magazine that holds over 10 rounds". Yet, in spite of Ruger being dead, they still administer this policy from his grave. But it seems only on certain guns. You can buy 15 round magazines for their 9MM pistols, but not 20 rounders for the Mini 14. This forces their customers to buy aftermarket mags that don't feed worth crap, or else pay between $40.00 and $60.00 for Ruger Hi-Caps on the open market. Total nonsense no matter how you cut it. I like Ruger handguns, and own many. All are accurate. But Ruger needs to address this inaccuracy problem that has dogged them for decades. And to stop being anti gun with their own products. Bill T.luv2safari said:The stigma still follows them.