Browning BAR Accuracy

Discussion in 'Rifle Talk' started by bbanbury, Nov 16, 2004.

  1. bbanbury

    bbanbury Super Member

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    I have a BAR II in 30-06 with a Simmons 4X9 scope. At 50 yards I can shoot groups less than 1/2 inch all day. I've had 5 & 10 shot groups that I could easily cover with a quarter. However, at 100 yards those groups spread out to 2-3 inches depending on the ammo used. I've tried 3 shot groups, 5 shot groups, cleaning between each, cleaning between each shot, etc. However, regardless of factory ammo used, I can't seem to tighten up my 100 yard groups. Any advice or thoughts?

    Thanks!
     
  2. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    bbanbury,

    What do these 100 yard groups look like? Is the shot to shot dispersement mostly vertical, mostly horizontal, or just all over the dang place?

    If you give us a little more info, we might be in a better position to help you solve your dilema.

    -JP
     

  3. bbanbury

    bbanbury Super Member

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    Good question - I didn't think to add that in. For the most part, they are somewhat of an elongated clover. In looking at the targets, most have one shot dead on for windage, the next a little higher but to the left of center, and the 3rd a little higher and to the right of center as in the example below. I also have a few that shoot like in the 2nd example.


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  4. mountainview

    mountainview Super Member

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    B-Bury,

    One other thing, if not already done, check over the rings and bases with a fine tooth comb and make sure they are in order.

    Another thing to check is the scope itself. I bought a used rig and it had a Simmons on top. No matter what I did the group was tight but would not move after making adjustments. I deduced that the scope was the problem and sent it in to Simmons. Less than 2 weeks later I had a replacement and some good things to say about their warranty center. Solved my problem as well.

    Safe shooting.
     
  5. luv2safari

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    If it is a medium or lower end Simmons that may be your problem. Could be an extreme PARALLAX PROBLEM... :idea:
     
  6. luv2safari

    luv2safari Moderator

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    If it is a medium or lower end Simmons that may be your problem. Could be an extreme PARALLAX PROBLEM... :idea:
     
  7. bbanbury

    bbanbury Super Member

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    Thanks for the input. The base/rings are solid. I'm starting to think it's the scope. I can change that out and go from there.
     
  8. Drop-Shot

    Drop-Shot Super Member

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    Bbury I got rid of a BAR 30/06 for the same reason.A gunsmith that sold guns also sold me the gun.He took it to the range and charged me for 2 boxes of ammo.He tried different scopes and finally sent the gun back to Browning,they fiddled with it and sent it back,a little better but 3 inch groups arn't an ideal groups.I sent the gun back 2 more times and the last time I sent it back,they sent it back to me and said this is your gun you bought it and it is not our problem any more,stop sending the gun back.I down loaded and had 2 inch groups with 150 gr bullets.I had a friend that had an older BAR that used to shoot 2 inch groups at 250 yards,243 win.I traded the gun and swore off BAR's.I own 2 Browning BLR's and love them,a 243 and 358 win.Good groups on both guns and I like the Browning A-bolt but no more BAR's for me.Write customer service and tell them your problem,I have since my problem that Browning will make all guns right.It may be within specs but you should not have to shell out that much money and have that problem.Drop-Shot
     
  9. bbanbury

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    Dropshot - that's disapointing to hear..but I had that feeling. Reported big groups (~3 in.) are what's kept me from considering the Benelli auto. I'll follow up with Browning to see if there's anything they can/will do. Thank you...