CZ 550 American or Ruger 77 Hawkeye?

Discussion in 'Rifle Opinions' started by Okieshooter, Aug 4, 2007.

  1. Okieshooter

    Okieshooter Well-Known Member

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    Anyone have hands-on experience with either or both of these in standard calibers like 243, 308, 270, 30-06?
    Fit and finish? Accuracy? Thanks!
     
  2. nyrackaddict

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    Ive owned a couple Ruger 77s and they are very nice in the fit /finish dept. Also very sturdy & reliable. There are more accurate rifles out there but mine grouped tight enough for me out of the box and very good after upgrading the trigger to a Rifle Basix.

    I love Rugers :D

    I have never shot a CZ
     

  3. Drop-Shot

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    I have shot both,the new hawkeye is a good shooter.I installed the scope(Leupold VXl 3-9x40)and sighted in a hawkeye in 270.With factory ammo I got a hair over 1 inch average,just outside the circle a fraction of an inch,hand loads would shrink the group considerably is my opinion.The CZ 550 american in 30/06 shot just under an inch with factory 150 gr remington ammo.Different brands of ammo will yield different group size and I was only given 2 boxes of remington ammo for each rifle.My observation was the hawkeye balanced better and felt great to shoot but the bolt slide and accuracy was a tad better on the CZ.I would still buy the hawkeye as its american made but thats just me,holding both you pick which one feels best,you'll have a winner either way.Drop-Shot
     
  4. Okieshooter

    Okieshooter Well-Known Member

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    Thanks guys. I have a CZ 452 in 22 lr that is very nice and accurate, but haven't seen or shot any of their centerfires in person. I did manage to get by a Bass Pro Shop today and fondled a Hawkeye. It seemed really nice. I'm still in the speculating stages anyway, so I just need to take some time until I can see some more. Thanks again!
     
  5. billt

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    For sure go with the CZ. This is my Ruger Stainless Model 77 in .30-06, and it will be my last Ruger rifle. Ruger rifles are in general plagued with accuracy problems. I know someone will chime in here and say they have one that shoots MOA. I don't care, for every one you show me that does, I'll show you a boxcar load that won't. The Ruger #1 Single Shot is no better. That gun has all kind of issues with forend tension that cause terrible accuracy. The Mini 14?, I won't even go there. They don't group, they pattern. Ruger barrels are some of the worst in the industry. It's really too bad because their revolvers are very accurate. I've tried everything with this 77 and it doesn't group worth a damn. Typical "Minute of Ruger", and thats it. Bill T.
     
  6. billt

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    This is my Ruger #1 Tropical in .416 Rigby. It's no better than the Model 77 in the accuracy dept., and I've tried every trick in the book. Ruger makes well built, good looking rifles that are priced right. They just can't seem to make an accurate one unless it's by accident. Bill T.
     
  7. luv2safari

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    I took a 77 MK II SS 338 that shot 1.5" groups and installed a well tuned Timney trigger. I am now able to shoot .75" all day long with the gun...nothing else was changed. My son's 77 tang safety in 257 AKL has always shot "same hole". The worst shooting rifle I ever owned was a Remington 700 in 35 Whelen. My 700 Classic 35 Col. shot well, though.

    My Rugers in 416 Rigby (2), 375 H&H, and 375 Ruger were all excellent. My 77 tang safety 30-06 was not so good. The Ruger accuracy problems stem from the late 1970s and early 1980, when they bought barrels on contract. They had some real problems. The stigma still follows them, but the new rifles are vastly improved. Everyone builds lemons, even Holland & Holland; I've seen several.
     
  8. billt

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    Re: re: CZ 550 American or Ruger 77 Hawkeye?

    I wish it were just a stigma. That Stainless Ruger 77 I pictured is just 5 years old. In the Mini 14 the horrible inaccuracy is a result of Rugers assembly procedures. When they install the gas block on the barrel it usually results in the barrel being bent. They have never been able to correct this. Or else they just don't give a damn. It is the reason for the gun "walking" all over the target when the barrel heats up. In all of my trips to ranges both here in Arizona in the last 17 years, and in 38 years in Chicago, the most inaccurate rifles I've seen across the board were Rugers. What irritates me most is they can be made accurate. Both Volquartsen and Accuracy International have built companies around doing something Ruger cannot, making their guns accurate. There are scores of "tricks" out there about forend tension to make #1's shoot. Why doesn't Ruger build them right in the first place? MSRP of a Ruger #1 is now into 4 digits. That money will buy you far more accuracy on the open market. I've known several people who have sent rifles back to Ruger, complaining about terrible accuracy, and all have gotten the same, lame response. "The gun shoots within factory specs." They need to revise their "Specs." My other bitch about Ruger is their attitude toward customers regarding Hi-Cap magazines for their guns. In this regard they talk out of both sides of their mouths with their policy. First off Bill Ruger has said on national television that "No man "needs" a magazine that holds over 10 rounds". Yet, in spite of Ruger being dead, they still administer this policy from his grave. But it seems only on certain guns. You can buy 15 round magazines for their 9MM pistols, but not 20 rounders for the Mini 14. This forces their customers to buy aftermarket mags that don't feed worth crap, or else pay between $40.00 and $60.00 for Ruger Hi-Caps on the open market. Total nonsense no matter how you cut it. I like Ruger handguns, and own many. All are accurate. But Ruger needs to address this inaccuracy problem that has dogged them for decades. And to stop being anti gun with their own products. Bill T.
     
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    Re: re: CZ 550 American or Ruger 77 Hawkeye?

    Oh boy............. :roll:
     
  10. billt

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    Enough said! Bill T.
     
  11. Captjim

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    Sounds like that BT can't shoot.
    I've had problems with all make model rifles. Over all my Ruger which have been shooting from the late 60s for the price I find it very comparable..
    Very strong and reliable!
    Captjim :D