New Winchester Rifles

Discussion in 'Rifle Opinions' started by timbertoes, Aug 11, 2004.

  1. timbertoes

    timbertoes Well-Known Member

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    We all hear about "pre 1964" winchesters. ie, "better".

    Ok well, I dont know anything about that in terms of the design.

    Now, in the Win. catalouge, the rfiles are said to be pre 64 design.
    OK, fair enough.

    What about accuracy? It seems we (meaning me) LOL, dont see much discussed about Winnies, and accuracy.
    We (meaning me) see many many posts on Savaage, Rem., Ruggies, Sako, etc, etc.

    so anyone care to get soemthing going on the new Winnies?

    The first thing I notice is the price...not exactly inexpensive!
     
  2. Drop-Shot

    Drop-Shot Super Member

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    timbertoes I have never owned a winchester except for the 94 lever gun.I looked at a winchester black shadow I think it was called and the action felt smooth as silk,accurate?I don't know but they would go out of business if they weren't accurate,and accuracy is a subjective thing.I know people and I was one that hunted several years with a gun that shot 1 1/2 to 2 inch groups and almost never missed killing animals I shot.So I'm as intrested as you about winchesters and accuracy,to be honest,the new model 70 looks great and would like to hear about them also.Drop-Shot
     

  3. timbertoes

    timbertoes Well-Known Member

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    well, in the world of bragging rights, 1-1/2 to 2" groups are guns that get sold or traded off. :)

    and to compete with Savage, they should shoot with under an inch at 100 yards. Had a Rem 700bdl 22-250 all holes touching and intersectin at 100...cover with a nickle or quarter anytime.

    so this is what I am wondering about.
    because 2" at 100 yards, what is that at 200? 3,4, 6" ? :p
    a Coyote looks small at 200 yards!!
     
  4. Anonymous

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    while i don't have a control feed model 70 (pre 64 design) the new ones from what i have read on other sites will shoot right up there with any of the others and then some. winchester ha apretty good rep. for a being a quality shooter.
     
  5. timbertoes

    timbertoes Well-Known Member

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    I always thought they were supposed to be good rifles also !

    I suppose the popularity of a brand/model comes and goes, before the net, all we had was local word of mouth and the magazines.
     
  6. wwb

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    One of the fellows I work with has a 2-year old M70 varmint; stainless heavy barrel & synthetic stock in .22-250. After a little trigger work, he says he gets 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards, once in a while even smaller. From the factory, he said the trigger was heavy and creepy.
     
  7. j870sm

    j870sm Well-Known Member

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    I actually posted about a WInchester Black Shadow on the Winchester page. I call it a bargain rifle, it was inexpensive, I bought an inexpensive scope and shoot the cheaper Remington shells and the gun is dead ass on time. I find it to be very accurate shooting my reloads and it does just fine with hunting rounds. I can shoot a 5 shot group at 100 yds and it be under 1" with the core lok's. All the Winnies seem to be good shooters and accuracy is not a problem. I have put all the other 7mags up and shoot this one exclusively.

    All in all, I find the Winnies to be just as accurate as my Rems, Sako's and Tika's etc... I can tell you this, any of the winchesters I have now will shoot circles around all the Rugers I have gotten rid of. I am down to 1 ruger now and I can't give it away so I am stuck with it. My 11 year old won't even shoot it.
     
  8. markIVbigblock

    markIVbigblock Super Member

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    j870 whats ur ruger that u cant get rid of? and im just curious if u ever had a #1 they shoot circles around anything from the factory ive ever seen including savage's. anyways i may be interested in the ruger if u wanna give it away i love rugers :)

    Aaron
     
  9. Drop-Shot

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    Timber toes I was not bragging I just told the truth,I don't recall missing any things in the last 33 years and only one time I had to shoot the animal 2 times was at 20yards,My bullet went high and broke the spine.wwb suggested 165 gr instead of 180's and slowly I worked uo a load with 57 gr IMR 4350 and hornadys 165 spire point and shrunk the group to 1 inch with a max load,so its better but the guide gun in 450 marlin, It shoots 2 to 21/2 inch groups and the guy that owns it is proud of 2 inch groups.Accuracy is a subjective thing,my new 1895 cowboy 47/70 with a 26 inch barrell I hope shoots 2 inch groups or better would not hurt my feelings.Get rid of the gun?never,even if I shoot larger groups than you,I enjoy the many memories that only death will erase,even if I never use it again I'll never get rid of itDrop-Shot
     
  10. j870sm

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    Aaron,
    My last Ruger is a Mini-14, should have bought another AR. I would have spent more money but I would have at least had a gun. My worst experience with a Ruger was a 270, bought brand new and topped with a Leupold. I complained that I could barely get 2 inch groups at 100 and their reply was "that is in spec." The groups were more like 3" and up. I had not had good luck with them on other buys so I cut my losses and have not had one since.
    I have not owned a #1 but I have shot several and they have all been accurate enough. I have to add that I don't expect benchrest performance out of a hunting gun but that 270 broke me down. I tend to lean more toward Remington but I have added some winchesters etc.. and I have grown very fond of a WIn. 7mmMag. I almost bought a Savage in .223 but the stock felt like it belonged on a toy gun. I know they shoot very well and the price seems good but once I added a real stock to the gun I would have had as much in it as I would in a Rem. so I bought the Rem.
    I buy and sell guns all the time, I hope to make a business out of it once my kids get older. I like rifles and I enjoy shooting them but what I really enjoy is shotguns, O/U's and SxS are my thing.
     
  11. Anonymous

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    j870sm thats what makes me sick.The first mini-14 I had was super,I shot coyote at 70 yards open sight and could not miss.It was the kind you could not put a scope on but it was so accurate that a friend used it to shoot crows at about 200 yards and only missed by a hair,ok good ruger.I bought a ranch rifle and mounted a compact leupold 2-7.I expected the same kind of accuracy as the last one,not so.I sent it back and was told to load down and try ,the gun was within specs.I didn't even try 100 yard targets,I shot at 50 yards.I uses remington,winchester and some no-name shells The best I could get was 3-31/2 groups.I traded the gun in and read an ad from bill wilson that he could take a stock mini ruger and turn it in to a minute of angle gun for 180.00 and super reliable,he made some for cops but takes orders from the public.well my ranch rifle was gone but if I ever get another mini14 it's going to bill wilson.This might be a silly question but why don't ruger(who has engineers)build a rifle loike bill wilson did?They can do it,I'llpay a little more,These games have to stop,stop making them or make them right.I am going to email ed Brown a/nd ruger to see if tjhey can builed a reliable and accurate firearm.Drop-SHOT
     
  12. timbertoes

    timbertoes Well-Known Member

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    When I was about 16, I had a Win model 70 in .243. But being a dumb teenager, I sold it. about the only thing I shot with it was an already dead and stiffened rabbit. :shock:
     
  13. jeffbeck

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    timbertoes,

    I've got a .270 wsm, ultimate shadow. I haven't really had much of an opportunity to shoot with it yet. I got it the day deer season went out last year.

    I haven't even zeroed in my sights yet. I have only shot it twice so far. No real setup, I just took a couple of shots off-hand at a target about 75 yards away (on a windy day). I got the shots within an inch of each other, but they were both about .75" away from the bullseye. I'm using the Winchester 130 gr. ballistic silvertips if it matters.

    Like I said, no real effort was made to be accurate though. I was just messing around and wanted to shoot it couple of times. Hopefully I'll get plenty of opportunities to use it this year, and I'll let you know how it performs. I should be sighting it in before too long.
     
  14. I have a win model 70. I have only been able to shoot a box of ammo so far but I liked the way it fired the trigger was stiff so I adjusted it down to about 3 1/2 lbs feels better I cant wait to shoot it again. just new to get me a new scope