this is probably a stupid question but......

Discussion in 'Rifle Talk' started by Anonymous, Aug 11, 2004.

  1. Anonymous

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    I am not really familiar with .22 rimfire magnum rifles as I have only shot autoloaders that hold lr as the biggest cartridge. my question is would a bolt action magnum 22 be able to chamber long rifles and shorts or would it only chamber the magnums ? this is the only thing holding me up in deciding between a 22 mag and a 17hmr right now, the versatility factor.
    i've narrowed my rifle choices down to:
    http://www.savagearms.com/93gl.htm
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    http://www.savagearms.com/93r17glv.htm

    because I be a south paw on a budget :D

    Help! (by the way alot of familiar faces over here)
     
  2. MarlandS

    MarlandS Well-Known Member

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    the magnum is slightly bigger around than the .22 rf , yes you could probably fire a LR in the magnum but accuracy would be questionable.
     

  3. Drop-Shot

    Drop-Shot Super Member

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    Welcome guest I like your name,Listen to marlands,don't shoot long rifle in a mag,the 22mag won't chamber in a 22LR but a 22LR will chamber in a 22 mag but don't,the bullet will have a long jump before it hits the chamber and will be unstable.In a pistol they have 2 different cylinders but a rifle the 22 lr will be unstable,Listen to marlands years of experience and you can't go wrong.Drop-Shot
     
  4. gwp4ever

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    If you get a .17 all you need is a different barrel and you can shoot .22 mag since its the same case. If it were me I'd go with the .17 HMR over the .22 mag or maybe even the .17 Mach 2 which is the .22 lr case necked down to .17 cal.
     
  5. Anonymous

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    As Marland stated, the 22 WMR case is slightly larger in diameter than that of a 22 LR but one should not shoot the 22LR in the mag case. That extra diameter can lead to the 22 LR case splitting which might exhaust the gases back at the shooter causing injury. Damage to the extractor and other internals is also possible. Rimfires are not generally designed for case failure the way centerfires are which could lead to problems for the shooter. uglydog
     
  6. Drop-Shot

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    Hey uglydog I wrote Ruger and asked if they are planing to make a 17 HMR with a seperate cylinder for the single six for mach2.They said no such idea is on the slate to be done but they would send my question to consumer relations for consideration.I think it would be natural since the single six has a mag and lr cylinders and little tooling would be needed to make the conversion.Drop-Shot
     
  7. MarlandS

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    That would be cool Drop-Shot, I've already got the Single Six in .17 HMR, fun little gun.
     
  8. Anonymous

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    Re: re: this is probably a stupid question but......

    thanks for the replies
    I take it you've been to, or are originally from Illinois or wisconsin :D .

    This place is weird man. Its just like shotgun world yet with rifles.

    Anyhoo, i thought that maybe just maybe the .22 mag concept was like a mag with a shotgun. you know how a 3 1/2" gun chambers 3" and 2 3/4" but not the other way around. But i guess i'm s.o.l. on this one.
    the main ussage of the rifle I want/need would be for some target shooting but mostly hunting squirrel and crow. i wanted the versatility because I have a large lot in a subdivision with a very large wooded area behind my house. also behind my house is a garden. i wanted to be able to chamber .22 subsonic shorts for killing the rabbits that think eating my vegetables is a good idea. in my area we can legally discharge firearms so its not a problem there. the problem is the neighbors don't take kindly to a shotgun going off just after sunrise. so i want to use a more civil cartridge that i can also shoot out of the back door.
    BUT i wanted a magnum to bust crow and squirrel at 100 yards when i go hunting. and I also wanted to shoot racoon and other large "small game" see my problem ? i also for the time being can only afford one rifle(blew way too much money on shotgun shells in prep for waterfowl) so i want to make a good choice that i won't regret.
     
  9. Anonymous

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    sorry that was me above.
     
  10. Drop-Shot

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    Like a few other guys said,mabe kook at the 17 MHR.In a 22 size gun,that would awesome gun.Drop-Shot
     
  11. Anonymous

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    I hate to be a sour puss: but I own a Ruger 10/22 mag and a couple of Hornets. I think the 22 mag is pretty useless. If I want to shoot a .22 rim fire, I shoot a .22 LR.

    The Hornet is more gun, but if I really want to shoot a long range 22 I shoot a 222.

    After the smoke clears the old .22 LR is a fine gun for short range shooting, up to say; 50 yds, which is about all you shoot in the woods or while messing around.

    So, I think that all this talk about the 17 Mach 2 and even the 17 HMR is so much ado about not much. I'll take my 222 Remington 788 over all of them. I'll also take it over the new 2004.

    So, when push comes to shove there's not much reason for these new hotties.

    I feel the same way about the big bores. The 270 Winchester is enough gun for anyone. They hit plenty hard, don't kick much and you can find ammo anywhere. The 06 is fine too, of course; but do we really need the big bangers like the 300 mag? Or the really big stuff? I just don't think so.

    I owned a 7MM Weatherby Mag once. Shot it a couple of times and put it away. Eventually sold it. Pretty gun too, but man what a man killer!
     
  12. Drop-Shot

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    hey guest want to sell me the 22 mag?I love them,I've killed hundreds of coyotes and at ranges over 50-75 yards the 22 mag does the job without the noise of the 222.You can shoot farther but,when you make extra money on varmit hides,the 222 makes too much noise and warns other coyotes that a killer is in the area.I'm serious about the 22 mag,do you want to sell?The only 22 mag I have is a rossi and you cant mount a scope,and I happen to like the 10/22.Drop-Shot stumpandcrunch@hotmail.com
     
  13. MarlandS

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    Re: re: this is probably a stupid question but......

    Check out what Ruger has announced for their single six and guess who won't get royalties for their idea.... ;) Wonder if I can get a blued one for my single six? http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/ ... 2004A.html
     
  14. Drop-Shot

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    Marlands that was only a couple of months ago and them rascals knew then but would not say so,Them Rascals!Drop-Shot
     
  15. Drop-Shot

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    Marlands that is the hunter series,why not the single six configuration,it don't make sense,they have the 17 HMR single six.Did you see my entry on re-barrelling or replacing?Your reaction would be appreciated.Drop-Shot
     
  16. huntswithdogs

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    Marlands,
    If that pistol shoots anything like my single-six in the 22lr & Mag,then I'd buy another in a heart beat. The built in scope mounts would make this a squirrel getter from way back! I think I'll have to check on this one.

    I've shot the 17HRM in a Marlin And a converted 77/22 Ruger. I was busting pine cones at 100 yds with no problem. The converted Ruger had been rebarreled from 22 mag. This is a very accurate shell and not to loud. If you want to try a very accurate 22 Mag load,check out the Rem Premiers. They finally got it right and put a bullet and powder combo together that works. These are not your basic 22 lead bullets that have been used for so long. They have a ballistic style tip and really scream.

    HWD
     
  17. Anonymous

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    Shoot only .22 lr, longs and shorts in rifles marked as such. Never shoot .22 lr's in a mag chamber. You can however, shoot a 22 WRM in a .22 mag, but while a new run of 22 WRM was just made; they are hard to find.

    As for the 17's HMR or Mack 2 have at it.

    But, push come to shove just buy a nice .22 LR and enjoy it. The ammo's cheap and you'll be able to shoot just fine an normal ranges. I have .22 Mags, .22 hornets, .222's and a 257 Roberts, but what do I usually shoot? A good old .22 long rifle.

    BTW: If you really want to have some fun get one of those old single shot Winchester Model 67's. They are about as basic as you can get. Open the bolt, slip in one round, close the bolt and then pull back the hammer nub.

    I've got all kinds of fancy .22's from the old Weatherby, Mk XX to Winchester 9422's, to old Remington bolt guns, to Browning and Marlin lever guns, but what do I shoot? That old Winchester Model 67.

    I guess I'm reverting to my childhood.
     
  18. Anonymous

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    what do yall think of the savage .22lr bolt action ? i've heard pretty good things about savage on the level of acurracy and affordability. I dont care about looks too much. I'm a shotgun guy and don't know too much about rifles. i've decided to go with a lr instead of mag after a long financial delay due to my burb breaking down on me.
    -John
     
  19. Drop-Shot

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    I like the savage,it's an accurate 22 (just like the bigger calibers)make sure you want to keep it cause they don't sell used as well as other makes.I feel they are as accurate as any other makes,I own 1 and give us the details of how yours shoot.Drop-Shot
     
  20. grimel

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    It's major name 22lr, therefore it will be just dandy (usually).

    Drop-shot,

    I noticed you mentioned extra cash from coyote fur. Have you considered a CF 17? It's a pinprick goiing in and doesn't exit. From those that have the chances, it's a lightning bolt out to around 300yds (100yds would be a long way to see a coyote here).