weatherby rifles

Discussion in 'Rifle Talk' started by skog, Nov 16, 2004.

  1. skog

    skog Well-Known Member

    93
    0
    0
    There is a huge difference in price between teh vangaurd and the Mark V. What makes them so different? The webpage isnt to enlighting on teh specifics. Are weatherbys worth the money or would my money be better spent on a Browning A-Bolt, Rem 700 or a Win model 70 and then have so custom work done like barrel lapping and a trigger job or should i buy a different brand such as a sako? I am not to sure the other high end rifle manufactures out there. I am looking in the $1000 to $1500 range. I am looking at a .270 win or a varient although the .270 wrby looks pretty pricey. I will use this gun mainly for whitetail but with in 4 or 5 years before my dad gets too old i want to go on a caribou hunt and will use this gun. is a 270 too small for caribou. should i step up to a 30 caliber gun.

    skog
     
  2. Drop-Shot

    Drop-Shot Super Member

    3,762
    1
    38
    The cheap weatherby is not a weatherby it's a howa in japan,the high dollar weatherby has 9 locking lugs and the howa has 2.The howa is a great gun,I've seen 1inch 7mmag groups with factory ammo.They make rifles for smith&wesson,mossberg and those are the ones I know of.Look at a 1200.00 weatherby with the bolt back there are 9 locking lugs,pull the cheaper ones back and they have 2 massive lugs.The high dollar rifles shoot straight and hit hard.Drop-Shot
     

  3. huntswithdogs

    huntswithdogs Moderator

    1,287
    0
    0
    Skog,

    You asked for an opinion,so here goes....
    In my opinion,the Weatherby Vangaurd is a fine rifle and the Mark V is an overpriced wall hanger. You can get better rifles at a lower price and still not buy a cheap rifle. If you just want to tell folks that you own a Weatherby,fine. I know 3 guys who own them and they sit in their gun safes. They're scared of getting them scratched,wet,etc. The cartridges themselves are very pricey.If you handload this would keep ya from paying $50 a box for shells.
    Go ahead and buy one of your other choices. If caribou hunting is what you have in mind I'd go for a .30 caliber,but the .270 should be fine.Use extra money that you save on the rifle to buy a GOOD scope and to finance your trip.
     
  4. Drop-Shot

    Drop-Shot Super Member

    3,762
    1
    38
    HWD ahhhhhhhhhhhh ?I'm gonna tell.Drop-Shot
     
  5. Drop-Shot

    Drop-Shot Super Member

    3,762
    1
    38
    HWD just joking,Listen to HWD the weatherby is a fine rifle,I own one in 300 weatherby mag,but an off the shelf Remington,Winchester,Tikka wont break the bank and shoots great.Include Browning a bolt also,Timbertoes says his is like a bench gun,I can't shoot as accuratly as alot of folks but I rarely miss with my older tang safety Ruger 77 in 30/06.The 270 is hard to beat and even though the 270WSM has better velocitys just ask gwp4ever if the antelope he shot could have died any quicker?At over 300 yards the animal could not tell if it was WSM or a standard 270.One day the WSM and remingtons ultra mag will be the only offerings and 270 will be a special offering,so the future may be with the WSM but I have to wonder why.Drop-Shot
     
  6. huntswithdogs

    huntswithdogs Moderator

    1,287
    0
    0
    Now Drop, If ya go tellin' every time I speak my mind I'm gonna quit talking. HA HA! I read back what I posted and should have made it a little clearer on the guns that are kept up and not shot. These are the Mark V's. My brother in law has had 2 of the Vanguards. 1 was a .270 and the other was a .300 Win MAg. Both of these guns were shooters and didn't need any special treatment. I was at WAllyWorld last nite and they have the Vanguard in stock. Around $550 will get ya a .300 Weatherby Mag. with a Synthetic stock and Matte finished 26" barrel. It wasn't a bad looking rifle!

    HWD
     
  7. 8pointduck

    8pointduck Super Member

    1,137
    0
    0
    Now waite guys! The Accumark isa a great rugged rifle thhat you can take out anytime and hunt with and they come in other calibers too....
     
  8. Drop-Shot

    Drop-Shot Super Member

    3,762
    1
    38
    I like that accumark but 1400.00 is too steep for me.Take a look at jarrettrifles.com his beanfield guns cost more than my truck,6500.00 is too far out there for the average guy.If you can afford the accumark then get it,I love those fluted barrells.Drop-Shot
     
  9. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Skog,

    I'll start off by admitting up-front that I have never owned a Weatherby Mark V or Vanguard. I should also say that I probably never will own one, as both utilize push-feed actions, which aren't my cup o' joe (I'm biased toward the controlled-feed actions like the M-98 Mausers, M-70 Winchesters, '03 Springfields, and so on) and I'm not overly enthused about the "Weatherby Styling", favoring the "classic" kind of stock style with a rounded fore-end and a high, straight comb on the butt stock.

    That said, I've shot several of both, as I have hunted with folks who swear by them. All of them that I've fired were more than adequately precise to take big game animals out to any reasonable range that such creatures should be shot at.

    The differences are in the locking lug arrangement, as a prior poster noted. The Mark V is thought to be the "stronger" of the two. It also has a shorter bolt lift -something like 65 or 70 degrees versus the full 90 degree lift of the Vangard with it's dual, horizonally-opposed locking lugs. The Mark V's I fired seemed to have better triggers than the Vangards that I fired did. Currently, the Mark V's are produced in the U.S.A. by a defense contractor that makes really big firearms for the military -machine guns, artilery pieces, and the like.

    As to the question of whether or not either is "worth the money", that's one that only you can really answer. I wouldn't spend my own jack on one, but not because they aren't fine, well-made rifles. They just aren't my idea of a fine rifle. But then the A-Bolt, Remington 700, Ruger M-77, Tikka, Sako, and so on aren't, either.

    The .270 Weatherby is a good cartridge, but it isn't a particularly efficient one and I doubt whether any animal shot with one would die any quicker than it would if shot with a .270 Winchester. If you're committed to the .277 bore size, you might want to think about how good the .270 Winchester is and how little practical advantage there is to be gained by going to the longer, fatter case of the Weatherby round. The current .270 WSM or "short magnum" is argueably a better cartridge design than the Weatherby is because it is more effecient.

    The problem with .277 bullets is, well, that they are .277 bullets, and you don't have as many choices as you do with .308 bullets. I'll put it to you like this: You can't shoot 180 grain to 220 grain bullets out of a rifle with a .277 bore, but you can do so out of a rifle with a .308 bore.

    That's not a huge deal with carabou, as I don't think they're as tough to put down as elk or Alaskan moose are. I would suspect that a .270 Whatever would probably get the job done, but I know that a .30-'06 will.

    As boring as this sounds, if carabou hunting is on your horizion, the old .30-'06 is tough to beat.

    Oh, and before I go, I am compelled to take exception to the idea that a Mark V Weatherby is a "wallhanger". I've known over a dozen people who take their hunting seriously and wouldn't dream of hunting with anything else but a Mark V in some flavor of Weatherby Magnum chambering. These folks hunt with their shiny blued steel and walnut Mark V's in weather fair and foul, and in far more exotic locals than I hunt in.

    -JP
     
  10. mountainview

    mountainview Super Member

    583
    0
    0
    Skog,

    Nothing wrong with Roy Weatherby's creations at all and if your heart is set on one, go for the one you want and like. A hunter/shooter who has a firearm they really like tends to have greater confidence which is also part of the psychological mix needed for good accuracy.

    Another idea would be to take the budget you have and buy 2 lower priced rigs such as the Vanguard or Rermington to double your fun and open new shooting possibilities or just have a backup.

    Safe shooting.
     
  11. Drop-Shot

    Drop-Shot Super Member

    3,762
    1
    38
    I agree with both JP and mountainview,the 30/06 offers bullets from110 gr to 220 gr and hard to beat.But some folks like the weatherbys,the folks at the re-barreling plant called accuracysystemsinc.com told me that they do alot of military and police work and by far the strongest action and the one that stays put when shot year after year is Remington.They blue print actions of all types and says the ruger is ok but the strongest and easyest to get right is the 700 Remington.I was put out cause I was wanting a ruger(older model)action blue printed and re-barreling,he said the older rugers are better than some on the market and we can blue print it,but it's no Remington.When the milatary orders 1000 sniper type rifles we use Remingtons.I say to each his own,what ever you like get it,some body will say some things better no matter what you get.I like ruger older 77 tang safteys,they may not be popular,I also like browning BLR's,Marlins and I own a winchester 338 win mag but have not shot it,some one will say it's not the best but what the heck,like the man that kissed the cow,to each his own.Drop-Shot
     
  12. skog

    skog Well-Known Member

    93
    0
    0
    Re: re: weatherby rifles

    What does blue print mean? I have heard this before but am mainly a shotgun guy but rifles are becoming more and more appealing.

    skog
     
  13. huntswithdogs

    huntswithdogs Moderator

    1,287
    0
    0
    JPS,
    I knew when I was typing that I'd step on someones toes with that comment. Please forgive me if it was your toes. The three guys that I mentioned have had these guns for around 15 years. I look at a gun,whether its a rifle,pistol or shotgun,as a tool.None of the guns that I own have ever and will never get special treatment or considerations due to weather or hunting conditions. All of mine have their own character marks due to use. Some may call it misuse. I do take care of them after hunting or shooting.

    By the way,I'm kinda fond of the control feed boltactions myself.
     
  14. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Huntswithdogs,

    It wasn't my toes... Besides, I only walk on the bottoms:).

    I also tend to view a firearm as a serious tool for a serious purpose.

    But I like pretty tools.

    No harm done, by the way, and I wasn't offended in the least. I susepect that there are some Weatherby owners out there who shoot them but don't hunt with them.

    -JPS
     
  15. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Skog as I understand blue printing an action is to bring the diminsions back to a certain tolorance which in some cases involves sleeving the bolt,cut the bolt face flat and cut the lugs flat,cut the reciever lug catches square,and most importantly the reciecer threads have to be straight with the bolt and little tolarance is not good enough.If the reciever is not perfectly straight then the barrel is canted,threads can be oversize cut on most recievers but the barrel has to match the reciever.That is why blue printing an action costs so much,cause so much is involved as I see it.I'm no gunsmith but that is what was explained to me.Some actions are inherntly strong and may require less but ALL actions are a working machine and all wear to some extent.I like my ruger,it may not be the best action out there but I like it and am willing to pay a little more to get the action just right.Drop-Shot
     
  16. j870sm

    j870sm Well-Known Member

    191
    0
    0
    I have several Weatherbys 3 in 7mm mag that are just to pretty to shoot and have only come out of the gun room vault to be cleaned and looked at. I have a 340 Weatherby that is exceptionally beautiful and was bought from a collector it stays in the room vault and is behind glass in there. I also have a 300 Wby that is in the synthetic and though it is not pretty it is a fine rifle. I think they are over priced but they seem to hold their value and certain ones are sought after.

    I think that Howa does make the Vanguard but that is not a problem with me, I have a 22-250 Howa that I like very much and it shoots straight every time. I think it is just as accurate as my Browning and Remington in the same caliber. I just bought my son a Vanguard in .270 from Wal Mart and it is a great shooter and it feels like a quality gun. I really like the action on this gun. He is pleased with the gun and that is what counts. His first big gun for his collection, I look forward to helping him build it bigger.
     
  17. LongShotz

    LongShotz Member

    7
    0
    0
    I LOVE my .270 Weatherby. I have a Mark IV SBGM and it is my favorite rifle. Having said that, I would spend the money on a less expensive rifle and have a master gunsmith "tune" it for you. Most can get about 3/4" - 1" moa on a factory rifle (it is easiest, and cheapest with a rem700 AND they produce the most consistent results). Regarding the cartridge i think .270 win is a little light for larger game. I would look at the .270 WSM, (i think u can even get a rem700 chambered for it, new this year) it is not quite as strong as .270 wby but it would certainly suffice for what u mentioned.
     
  18. ONYX3.5

    ONYX3.5 Member

    23
    0
    0
    I own the Weatherby MKV synthetic in 300Weatherby. It is the "entry level" grade MKV. I believe I paid 540$ for it a couple of years ago. It is my go to rifle for big Idaho bull elk,
    it is MOA accurate and loves 180 grain Nosler Partitions.
    For cow elk & buck mule deer I shoot my Tikka T3 in 270 Win.
    For doe mulies and antelope I shoot my Remington model 7 in 243 Win. with 100grain NP. Not sure if I helped answer your question. just giving yall my 2 cents worth of Idaho hunting wisdom and knowledge.
     
  19. gwp4ever

    gwp4ever Super Member

    227
    0
    0
    Re: re: weatherby rifles

    Where the hell did you get a Mark V for $540? Was it someones old beater?
     
  20. huntswithdogs

    huntswithdogs Moderator

    1,287
    0
    0
    I just about bought a 25/06 in a MarkV the other day. It was tagged with $659 NIB. I could have bought it for a lot less. Synthetic stock, long barrel and a slick action. The only problem I could see with it was the raised comb on it. It's set up for a Righty and I'm a Lefty.

    HWD