uglydog so you saw one?I haven't seen one close up yet.They had one at our last gunshow but 100 bodies were in the way and I never got to see one.Don't cut those Bakails short,the 12 guage is not so beatifull,just nice but the 20 guage with the nickel reciever,the wood is beautifull and fit and finish is great.The 12 guage is great shooting but I could only handle 4 shots and friends shot it alot.It's well regulated with all load sizes,I expect the 20 to be similar.I will check the 411 stevens out and mabe get one some day.We are saving for our down payment on a house in Montana and I still have to pay for that rebarrell job,so it might be awhile.Drop-Shot