325 WSM

Discussion in 'Rifle Opinions' started by Anonymous, Dec 4, 2004.

  1. Anonymous

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    In the new shooting times there is an article displaying a new cartdridge,325 WSM,thats 8mm thats supposed to be 50 FPS more than the 8mmRem Mag,It's less than the 338 win mag but only by a little,who thinks this bird will fly?Dr op-Shot
     

  2. uglydog

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    I think this cartridge should fly as well as the Great Auk, the Dodo, emus, ostriches, and passenger pigeons; oops, the last there did fly but it is dead. I think it will have a brief flurry of good press followed by dismal sales as it is overlapped on both ends by other cartridges. 8mm cartridges just haven't been popular in the U.S. and I don't see this being any different. Then again, I didn't think Garth Brooks was going to go far when I saw him playing the bar circuit.
     
  3. Anonymous

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    why 8mm.The remington offer was a big dud.This is one the shooting public can live without.Winchesters goung to regret this one
     
  4. Drop-Shot

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    Coveybuster I agree,with the limited 8mm bullets it still can't match the old standareds,we have so much of a variety of great bullets with the 6mm,7mm,30 cal, 27 cal,33,35,45 cal and even 50 cal.Is there room for another big boy on the blockDrop-Shot
     
  5. Logjam

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    Re: re: 325 WSM

    I'd rather they bring back their old 375 and put it back in that 94 Winchester. That gun came and went in a heart beat.

    I don't own any of those new fat bodied rounds. I guess they are more accurate than the old fashioned calibers, but how much more accurate? Not enough to make a difference I'd say.
     
  6. Drop-Shot

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    logjam I had a 375 win in a marlin and like the fool I am I sold it or traded it.Out to 75 yards I could shoot 1 1/2 inch groups.It was a great woods gun,I only shot 3 deer(white tail)with that gun,but it's one I really wish I had back.Drop-Shot
     
  7. Logjam

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    Yeah, why doesn't Winchester bring it back? Folks miss that gun.

    I'll bet the "suits" at whatever they call Winchester now don't have a clue of what hunters want to need.
     
  8. Drop-Shot

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    Thanks but I would prefer a Marlin like the one I traded or sold in the old days.Drop-Shot
     
  9. Logjam

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    Re: re: 325 WSM

    Are you talking about getting one in 35 Remington? I think they still make one model in that caliber. I have a 336 in 35 Rem and it's a hard hitter.

    I think, but don't have a cataloge to check, that Marlin also makes a 38/55; and of course, their 450 Marlin. Then there's the old 30/30 which is really a pretty good cartridge for shortish shots.

    I've shot an 1895 Marlin in 45/70. It killed at both ends.
     
  11. Drop-Shot

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    No logjam I would like a Marlin 375 win,it shot so well.I have a Marlin 35 rem.Marlin 336 in 30/30,1895 45/70,Marlin 44 mag, marlin 39-A 22,long rifle,long,short.I don't remmember what I traded for,I saw one at a gunshow and had 425.00,I offered 350.00,he laughed and sold the gun that morning.I have more powerfull guns but the 375 win was a great round,If the winchester had angle eject,that might serve the purpose.Drop-Shot
     
  12. Anonymous

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    re: 325 WSM is a product of divorce.

    Group:

    I've never seen a .325 WSM, but I'm hardly surprised that it'll hit the market.

    On the face, it seems as though we really are living in "the good old days" with the selection of rifles and claibers that we enjoy today.

    But one of the reasons that we enjoy this varied selection of rifles and calibers currently is that there are fewer of "us" now than there were in previous decades.

    It's simple niche marketing, and it exists now because the technology currently exists to make it feasable and economic necessity is such that those companies that don't play the niche marketing game to win probably won't be around when the developing trend in the marketing of sporting arms becomes a reality.

    In other words, if you're wondering who was supposed to be served by this round, because you're thinking that it isn't you and me, you're probably right. It's the company that developed it. Nothing wrong with that in a capitalist society, either.

    In simple terms, there aren't enough people getting in to the shooting sports for a company to rely on sales to virgin customers. They need to convince folks like us, who already own a rifle (or two, or three, or...) that we "need" another.

    What the folks who brainstormed the WSM concept are hoping for is that the next Jack O' Conner in need of a gimmick will latch on to one of the new WSM rounds, just as old ".270 Jack" did back when that round was the hot new thing.

    Sometimes this strategy works. Look at the popularity of the 7mm/08 in short, light, bolt action carbines a few years back. Layne Simpson and others were touting rifles of that type in that caliber to be the "thuty-thuties" of the nineties. Or look at the spike in sales that Remington got back in the eighties, when Jim Carmichael waxed eloquent on the virtues of Remington's then-new M-700 Mountain Rifle in .280 Remington. Heck, even boring old "Joe Thirty-Ought-Six" here -that is to say, "yours truly" -fell for that one, and I'm not easily swayed! I never hunted with it, because I could never get mine to group better than minute-of-barndoor, but I digress......

    Sometimes it doesn't work, like in the case of Col. Charles Askins traipsing all over Africa and the Artic with an 8mm Remington Magnum back in the seventies.

    Cartridges come and go, but you can't blame arms companies for indroducing them. I think this one, though, will wind up orphaned. Anybody remember the .284 Winchester? How about the 6.5 mm Remington Magnum, or the .350 Remington Magnum? Is it just me, or have we really been down this "short, fat magnum road" before? Okay, so we've never been down it quite like this before, but we've been down it.

    The list of cartiridges that have failed to make the grade in the marketplace is a large one. Try reloading a .348 Winchester sometime. This .325 WSM will probably prove to do likewise.

    One has to wonder, though, why they didn't just intorduce a .338 WSM instead?

    But you don't have to wonder why this round will be introduced. In order to stay afloat in today's contracting market, armsmakers need to either: 1) move way upscale, or; 2) try to convince someone that they've already sold a rifle to that he or she needs another one, two, or three from the same maker. And they have to work really hard to do that, because some of us who shoot and hunt alot aren't so easily swayed by what we read in a magazine.

    Personally, I hope the .325 WSM is a smashing success, because I'd rather deal with a "niche market" than be forced to have to deal with an "upscale" one.

    -JP
     
  13. Logjam

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    What do you think of the 35 Rem? Don't Win and Marlin market a 38/55? Seems like with a new gun you could almost duplicate the 375 Win. Is the 375 Win belted? I can't recall.

    I have an original 1895 Marlin in 45/70. I bought it at Dixie Arms. Achually went to the store in Union City, Tenn. I'd always wanted to see the place. Lots of guns, but I thought they were priced at retail + 25%. I paid an arm and a leg for the old 85 Marlin, but it is in wonderful shape. Haven't fired it much. Don't use high pressure loads in it.
     
  14. Logjam

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    PJ: I too am concerned that more people aren't shooting. I think that more and more guns are being sold to fewer and fewer people.

    There are several reasons: One is a popular Liberal attitude that gun owners/shooter are demented is sinking in, no matter how wrong it is. Another is that we don't have rifle teams in schools anymore. And there are fewer and fewer places to shoot.

    Add all of these forces up and you get some pretty hefty negative pressures upon the shooting public.

    Do you remember when joining the NRA was considered a privilage? You used to have to have a sponser to join. Some one who could vouch for your character. Now anyone can join.

    I don't buy as many new guns as I used to, but I still do from time to time just to support the industry. I buy Ruger pistols.

    I'd like to see folks buying new guns, and I'd like to see more people out in the woods shooting. Now it seems like I see scads of No Trespassing, and No hunting/ no shooting signes all over the place. What a shame. I used to walk across the street into a vacant lot and shoot beer cans. Used to go to the dump and shoot rats; gosh, that was FUN.

    Seen anyone shooting at a dump lately?

    Cowboy Action Shooting as been a great shot in the arm for the gun industry and folks who didn't shoot before are shooting now. That's good.

    I just can't bring myself to play dress up. Also they usually shoot two handed. No cowboy would allow himself to be caught dead shooting two handed.

    Think I'll sign off, I'm beginning to ramble.
     
  15. Drop-Shot

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    After that comment logjam I would like to buy 4 or 5 more but my wife tells me our savings account is injured worse than me.The 375 win just brings back alot of great memorys.The 35 rem is a great round and I have killed plenty deer and cans with it.Very accurate.I can't shoot any of the guns I have without pain so I just think(thats cheap) about the guns I used to have.I bought a brand new savage 99 in the early 60's.The gun was made in 58 I think but it never sold,I bought it and traded or sold it,too bad it was a good rifle.Memorys and thinking is cheap and when I go to the store it won't buy any thing so it's only important to me.Drop-Shot
     
  16. luv2safari

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    I think the 325 is a fantastic new round. :D A 200 gr 8mm bullet is much better for larger game like bear, moose, and elk than a 180 gr or 200 gr 30 caliber. The 8mm does kill better IMHO. If we had a better selection of good 8mm bullets here in the USA the 32 tube would catch on. :idea:

    Get some of those good Greman Tig and Tug bullets in a magnum 8mm, and it is a force to be reckoned with!

    As for the 348...it was a wonderful and popular caliber for a long time...22 years...

    It was an elk killing machine in the Mdl 71 when used with 250 gr bullets. I've noticed some renewed interest in the 348 the last couple of years.

    Another European bore that is starting to catch on on this side of the pond is the 9.3mm. The 8mm and 9.3mm great meat getters that have sufficient mass and diameter to be good "stoppers". I'm just waiting for us Yanks to discover the 9.3X62 and 9.3X64 Brenneke. These are crushers in a medium bore. :shock: :shock:

    I do like 8mm's and will get a 325 in a light short action rifle for my elk rifle. My 338 and 375's are getting heavier every year. :? :(
     
  17. Drop-Shot

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    I forgot to mention that marlin does make the 38/55 in a cowboy action with great looking wood and a 26 inch octagon barrell,I bought the 45/70 of that version and am looking forward to shooting it,I bought it almost a year ago and had a pachmyer decelarater put on it and I still haven't shot it,mabe never will,my son may end up with it after I'm gone,still in the box it came in,like alot of others that only get taken out once a year to clean and I use long time no rust something or another,very expensive cause I bought a big bottle.Oh logjam the fox I used to have was a BSE ll,it was kinda beat up,the wood mostly,I should have kept it,I should have kept them all,I would have to buy a couple safes to put them in.Oh well whats gone is gone.Drop-Shot
     
  18. Logjam

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    Well, Drop Shot, I hope that you can recover from what ever you've got. You sound a little down hearted. I've seen some people make some pretty miraculous recoveries; you may as well.

    I've got this pretty large old gun collection and my son couldn't care less about them. My wife wants me to sell them, but I just hate to do it. I'm just about 60 and am in pretty good health (I think), so I'm planning to be around for another 20 or so, but who knows I may not make it to this weekend.

    I've just give my wife the name of a dealor whom I trust and told her to take the guns there and put them on consignment after I kick. She wants me to record all of their cost, and some history. That's a lot of work when you consider I've got over 200 old guns.