[mapanggulo]

Ok...starting to get the itch for another gun (you can never have enough...and 7 so far isn't enough).

I've always wanted a AR-15, but that would take alittle longer to buy right now. A CETME is something I'd love to get too...and its more obtainable fundage wise.

Help me, I can't friggin decide !!!!!!

 

[Guest]

I'm going through the same debate, though between a FAL and a CETME.

From all I've heard, the AR, assuming it's from a reputable builder, is going to be a much more reliable machine. CETMEs, being built by trained chimpanzees at Century Arms, are very much a crap shoot, judging by the extremely mixed feedback I've heard. Some people swear by their CETME; Others swear *at* it.

On the other hand, if you prefer a "real" caliber to a varmint gun... that puts the AR at the disadvantage.

 

[Guest]

Neither - buy an EAA SAIGA SA .308-1 they come in 308,7.62x39 and .223 and all are generally priced under $300. The 308 comes in either a 22" or an 16" barrel with wood or plastic stock. Under $325 - scope mount $50 - they shoot extremely accurate not like the CETME. The only con is mags can only hold 10 in the 308 but the sunset of the ban will take care of that as they have larger mags in Europe. Gun is just like a heavy duty AK but is very accurate due to heavy barrel and block. 140 gr. Barnul ammo at about $5 per 20 works great -

 

[Guest]

Re: re: AR-15 or CETME

Neither - buy an EAA SAIGA SA .308-1 they come in 308,7.62x39 and .223 and all are generally priced under $300. The 308 comes in either a 22" or an 16" barrel with wood or plastic stock. Under $325 - scope mount $50 - they shoot extremely accurate not like the CETME. The only con is mags can only hold 10 in the 308 but the sunset of the ban will take care of that as they have larger mags in Europe. Gun is just like a heavy duty AK but is very accurate due to heavy barrel and block. 140 gr. Barnul ammo at about $5 per 20 works great -

Had to put my firearm acquisition program on hold for a while, but back when I was hitting a lot of gun shows, those Saigas were certainly calling my name. Particularly the ones in .308. Would be interested to hear what kind of groups they will do off the bench. Am surprised to hear that the price is that low on these-if I'm not mistaken, they were double that 4, maybe 5 years ago.

 

[Guest]

Re: re: AR-15 or CETME

The only con is mags can only hold 10 in the 308 but the sunset of the ban will take care of that as they have larger mags in Europe.

IF they decide to import them. I hope they do. Think about it, a quality, .308 semi-auto, with avalible 20 round mags for around $300.00?

 

[zombie]

First post and I forget to log in........

 

[Guest]

You are asking a very broad question - very different calibers and functions. In the 223 - if you like the AR style buy a Rock River or Bushmaster and have a good time. Great support rifle and you can use on varmits and such. 30 caliber - I have to agree with the Saiga comments - I have been down the CETME road and it is treacherous. They are the most expensive $300 rifle you will ever buy. My Saiga will shoot 2 -3 MOA depending on the ammo and better 1.5 if I use a higher quality ammo and 8 power scope. That is very good for a stock out of the box $360 with scope mount rifle - with a bit of tuning it could go up. Remember it is basically a big frame AK so it works and keeps working and keeps working. Down side there are only 8 round mags available is US and no parts kits so far but I expect that to change - if not at under $300 you can buy one for a spare should you feel the need. In a 223 you can also find fine the SAIGA for way under $300 - which is accurate but is built on a lighter receiver than the 308 and does not have high capacity mags yet. The more expensive VEPER's are still imported but no real advantage unless you move to a Robinson Arms Veper - then the quality shines through.

 

[EasternBloc]

I own a Bushmaster M-4, Cast Receiver CETME and a Stamped Receiver CETME. Very very different coice between the CETME and AR-15. I would not buy another stamped receiver CETME, but would jump at the chance to buy one of the original cast receiver ones again. I have had fewer problems with the cast gun than with my bushmaster. I experience jamming often using the busmaster and US GI magazines. I have found the Canadian Thermold magazines are the only ones that do not jam for me. My Cast CETME works with anything, CETME or G-3/HK-91.

As for shooting, if you like the power of the .308 and want a cheap gun go for the CETME. If you like smaller calibers, get the AR. It's all a matter of choice. You can do more with an AR. Accessories, different uppers, did I mention accessories? Accessorizing a CETME means putting a sling, bayonet and an aftermarket bipod affixed to the barrel. Unless you want to spend more money than the gun is worth buying an HK-91 collapsable stock and furniture set.

My real opinion, buy both! They are so different from each other you will have completely different shooting experiences.

 

[john humphries]

The Cetemes Built recentally are junk if not dangerous. If you look down a barrel you can see the pin used to Fix the muzzle brake on to the barrel is hammered so far into the barrel that it was then filed or ground off leaving a nub in the bore, not a good thing.