I have the BLR now in my possession and have ordered die sets,bullets,shells and I like the lee factory crimp die.You cannot over crimp the bullet and buckel the case.Just seat the bullet on one step and use the factory crimp die.I have heard loads are potentilly more acurate because all the bullets have to over come the same pressure to release the bullet as all the others.I need to buy more but they are only 9.99 each.Last time i loaded weatherby loads I ruined 10 cases due to trying to crimp them.These lee factory crimp dies guarrenty not to buckel a case of any kind.I ruined several 45/70 shells till I bought that factory crimp die from lee.Give them a try.They don't work on roll crimp I think.Look at graj&sons and they are listed.Drop-Shot
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DP, I haven't been back with my tweeked loads yet but Sunday afternoon is looking real promising .I think my son and I will do a little shootin and we will see 
8point all the things I ordered came in,die's,bullets in hornady and Siera,and barnes.I already have powder and primers.I just have not felt well enough to do it.During the day its too hot and when the sun goes down tonight I'll go to the garage and load five 200 gr and 5 225 gr and 5 250 gr. and when I get the sightron 1.5-6X42 I will zero with 200 gr,and then see how different the 225 and 250 are in comparison.I'll start low and build up and see which the gun likes best.I'll let you know,it might be awhile but getting the loads worked up is firstDrop-Shot
Hey 8point I bet the preveous owner did not clean the gun.I swabbed the gun with butchsboreshine and let it set soak and several pieces of copper fouling came out.I bore lapped the gun and finished with flitz polish and the bore shines now.358 win is hard to find brass for,I bought 50 cases and later buy 50 more.I need to get new 4064 powder,mine is clumped so moisture got in and I threw it out,Ibuy new powder and load a few.I have read that the 225 and 250 gr are the best.I bought 180 gr just to see how accurate they are,but if you have too many different loads it's hard to resight for a different round.I keep occupied fot a while.Drop-Shot
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Hey I am going to try that the next time I clean my rifles,Sounds like a good resipe for a good cleaning
8point alot of people do it for accuracy but I didn't see much change,mabe a little but where I really saw the difference was in cleaning the rifle.After I lapp the bore I push a cotton ball all the way through and cotton will tell you if you have a rough spot and I do.Thats ok I will re -do the lapping process and try the cotton ball again.Some times it takes a couple of times but one gun I have took 3 times,I spent almost all day,but that blr will shoot 1inch groups with 5 shots of hand loaded 243.All my guns get a bore lapping before I shoot them.It makes them so easy to clean that its worth it.I can't shoot as much as you guys can,but when I do it only takes a few patches to clean them.Drop-Shot
8point by the way I use valve lapping compound for course and midway sells a bore lapping set of course, medieum,and fine.After I use the valvelapping compound I stick with the midway set,I start off again with course and med,and then fine,after I lapp with fine I use flitz to polish the barrel on rifles and hand guns.Then I push the cotton ball through the bore and look with a bore light for any sign of cotton,this 358 will have to go through the same thing.You want the cleaning rod to have some effort to push but not too much.I use a tipton rifle vise to hold my gun and a tipton rod to lapp the bore,when you are done you will have the shinny look down the barrel.It's alot of work but worth it.Drop-Shot
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Thanks for the advice
Hey 8point,me and the wife and our son are hoping to go back to montana next year.I may not accept the back operation they want to do.They offer no hopes that the one above that one want go also so I may settle for what I got now,which isn't much.I could point you in a direction and check up on you every couple of days on a cell phone.If it happens,don't bring cotten insulated underware as cotten absorbs moisture and cools the body.COTTEN COOLS,wool blends can be soaked and still warm but not cotten.Good boots that are broken in already with a goob insulation,more is not always better.I use Timberlands 400 gram insulation but have a set of booties in my back pack to put on my feet when sitting in -20 degree,and I sleep with them on,Plan on it bud,How is your back?An 800 lb animal on the ground will scare your back into being bad.We have to draw for that area but an out of state has a better chance than a montanain.Bye for now.Drop-Shot
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DP, I am looking at outfitters who have full service drop camps. I feel my first time should be with someone exsperienced.The ones in Idaho look real good, have you ever hunted in Idaho?
8point I have never hunted there but have driven through the north loop from Montana and Idaho looked the same as Montana,and we saw less hunters,Montana gets hit pretty hard with elk hunts.I've taken 15 so far in my life,9 were in Colorado,6 in Montana.The biggest problem you will have is the thin air,If snow hits early,they will feed lower and travel back up to bed down.They have a high metabolic rate in winter so look for paths to and from eating places,If the weather is hot,they will be high.One guy from Mississippi went to Montana to hunt the bob marshel wilderness and got to camp and the guide told them a storm was moving in and they would have to stay put,in camp a couple of days.The southern man spoke up and said I didn't come all this way to sit ,just point me in the right direction.The guide tried to talk him out of it but but agreed to point him in the right direction.Walk up the side of the mountain till you get tired and make camp,lay over a 30 inch tree to sleep.How is that going to keep me from freezing to death,the guide said it won't,but it will make it easier to put your body on a horse and bring it down off the mountain.Listen to the outfitter and bring a cell phone.If I can help in any way to get you prepaired just let me know.Drop-Shot
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:shock:Why are the fees so high? I mean the lisience, then a tag. Thats over $500! Then if your like me and have to go with an outfitter, then there is that cost. Is elk hunting just for the rich? I really want to do this someday in my life but man this is ridiculious.I just don't have 5000 dollars lying around.
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·I should have warned you about prices,these guides(I know a couple)scout for days to find good spots all year to make enough to drive a nice truck and to educate his kids and live all year.I know it sounds like alot but look at it from his point of view,if he has a good year he will only net 50,grand a year,and some times not even that much.Look into a drop hunt and not a guided hunt.You will have to do all the work but you will save.Some of the local guides in Montana offered drop hunts and pack animals out for a lot less than 5000.00 and they have good years for hunters.The price depends on demand,and I know 1 guide that books 2 years ahead on some hunts.You can get a map and find BLM woods and any body can hunt BLM's and state owned land.The Bob Marshel wilderness is huge and alot of animals and alot of people like us.I don't make the big bucks any more so I depend on self.Drop-Shot
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The guides are not really a problem as the extra fees that the state and forestry service tack on, I think it would be pretty reasonable if it were not for that.I talked with a friend of mine today and he told me of a hunt he went on in Colorado that only cost him over $3000 and that included everything.I reallyt would like to go with someone who has been before to show me the ropes.
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They were trying to start up a chapter of the RMEF here . They had banquets for two years and I went to both of them but I havent seen anything about one this year, so I think it didn't take like they wanted it to . I even tried to help them advertise at my gun club and even made an anouncement at a meeting about what they were trying to do, but its hard to get a bunch of guys to really get involved about hunting that is that far away..
Hey 8point,where are the new cheap(Howa)weatherby's made?I made an enemy at the gun store when I stated to some one that those weatherbys are not weatherbys,and I pointed to the 1400.00 rifle and said that is a weatherby.Every body stopped talking to the salesman and asked me questions.The salesman was saying the remingtons have sticky bolts and the weatherbys don't,I wanted to get him to take a remington and a cheap weatherby out side by side and he refused.That was GI Joes in kent and I don't feel welcome there any more.So,any body where is the Howa made?Drop-Shot
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