Budget Deer Rifle for White Tails

Discussion in 'Bolt Action' started by hogana, Nov 6, 2005.

  1. hogana

    hogana Guest

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    I got some really good advice at Shotgun world forum and purchased a 20 ga ultra slug gun and a bushnell scope. Good advice. Good gun choice.

    Wisconsin has some shotgun only counties and some where a rifle is allowed. I now have access to some rifle country.

    I have looked at the Savage 111 package gun w/ a scope. The ones w/o accutrigger are priced as low as $320. I think they are left over inventory of nonaccutrigger guns.

    The gun will be used strictly for deer hunting. I would prefer a composite stock. I might also consider a stainless action and barrel if that does not hamper the stealth aspects of deer hunting??? I am also fond of a bolt action. I have a remington bolt action 22 that I really like. I will not purchase a semi auto, but I will consider other actions.

    Most of my hunting will be from a stand. Most of my shots will be less than 100 yards.

    Any advice on a gun choice or caliber for deer? I have been eyeing the .270. I have several coworkers who are .270 owners and they rave about the caliber.

    It will be a woods gun and it will get dinged. That is just the nature of bringing a gun into the woods and hauling it up into a tree stand.

    I did not grow up hunting deer. I have only hunted for about the last 4 or 5 years so I have a lot to learn. Thanks in advance for your help.
     
  2. B540Glenn

    B540Glenn Active Member

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    Unless you really really want to get a rifle (I can't blame you if you do :) ), use the shotgun. Just 'cause you might be hunting in "rifle country" doesn't mean you HAVE TO use a rifle. If your shotgun will do the job, use it.

    Just my 2 cents,
     

  3. mountainview

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    hogana,
    My son and I both hunt with Savage package guns (7mm-08 and 30-06) in rifle counties and they get the job done if the shooter co-operates. My son has the composite stock (blued metal) and it is a joy to pack in the woods (light weight) and little worry about dinging up the composite stock. At some point I'll get around to replacing the Simmons scope but they seem to work well enough and Simmons seems to have good customer service if it is needed. Check Wal-Mart and you may be able to score on a close-out of the Savage packages.

    The 270 is a good whitetail caliber though I like the 30-06 because it is so versatile. If you like the 270, go for it, you'd not be making a bad choice by any means for deer. You may also want to consider the 308 and 7mm-08, if you are into short action rifles. 25-06 is a good deer rifle with less recoil than the others and is another option using 120 grainers.
     
  4. Drop-Shot

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    I agree with all the rest,savage makes a good rifle that you don't need to take out a second mortage on the house to get.I do alot to my rifles to make sure they shoot well,the last savage I helped to sight in shot good groups right out of the box.Can't beat em,30/06 or 270 will serve you well.Drop-Shot
     
  5. hogana

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    What is the recoil like on the 30/06 or the 270?

    I have never owned a rifle. I have always hunted w/ shot guns.

    I gave up the 12 gauge 870 gun for deer. I gave it up because I could not sight it in w/o getting flinchy. It was fine for a one shot gun in the woods, but shooting a target before deer hunting was tough.

    How do the 30/06 and the 270 compare to a 20 gauge 1900 feet/sec 260 grain slug recoil? My 20 gauge slug gun is fine and I can shoot it until I am out of money at $2+ a round.

    Anyone out there know about the Stevens brand or the new Mossberg ATR rifles?
     
  6. huntswithdogs

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    Recoil on the 270 or 3006 would be about like that 20 ga. There again I've shot 20ga guns that kicked worse than my 12s. Check with some of your friends and shoot some of their guns prior to buying.That way you don't have to spend a bunch just to find out that it hurts each time you pull the trigger.


    HWD
     
  7. mountainview

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    hogana, 12 gauge slugs are pretty stiff in the recoil department, few people enjoy shooting more than a handful at the bench. I don't mind the recoil from my Savage 110 30-06 since it fits me well. For your rifle, the best thing to do is
    a) shoot a friends rifle same caliber and preferably same rifle model to see what level of recoil it generates and whether you are ok with it. Gun fit and weight has plenty to do with felt recoil, if a rifle does not fit, even a light caliber can get your attention in a hurry when the trigger is pulled. Heavier rifles are a pain to carry but a delight to shoot from the bench.
    b) spend a little extra coin and get a good recoil pad (this helps tame the punch quite a bit), most gunsmiths will cut the stock if desired to maintain OAL on the stock
    c) use a PAST recoil shield at the range (these really work), no need to wear this in the woods since you'll never notice the recoil when hunting. My son who is recoil sensitive can shoot a box and a half of 7mm-08 during a range session and develop nothing more than a good sweat from shooting.
    d) a cheap way to accomplish all of the above is to shoot Managed Recoil Loads, supposed to be good for deer out to 200 yards so should work for typical distances of up to 100 yards where most whitetails are bagged.
     
  8. Jamas

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    I wouldn't worry about the recoil on either of these cartridges. I have shot alot of different rifles, and while each one has its own characteristics, I have never been unable to put a box or more through any them. Not even sore the next day, and I'm a small guy. So that shouldn't be a concern. I would be more concerned with finding a gun that feels right to you. The Stevens is made by Savage, I think it is a 110 w/o any bells or whistles. I think it was their way of still having a basement model on the market. I have heard it is an exceptional gun for the price, but I do not know personally.

    You may also want to do a weekend of shop hopping around your area, you may be able to find a honey ofa deal on a nicer model. Just do your homework before and after, and don't even think about buying it on the spot if you are not 100% sure its a great deal. I hope it helps. Good luck and let us know what you do.

    -Jamas
     
  9. rifleboy15

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    have you tried tried the mossberg 100 ATR with composite stock,in 270 or 30-06? i'm getting the mossberg with wood stock in 308. I also like semi-autos and have a remington 597 in .22lr but won't use a semi for deer(bolt action is the way to go) well thats what i think. good luck on choosing a new rifle.

    P.S.- i own a pardner 20,good littel gun. :D :D :D
     
  10. liljake82

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    hopefully I dont get laughed off of here but what about just a plain jane lever action 30-30. I bet more deer in this world have fallen to grandpas old lever action 30-30 than anything else. It's fine out to 100yds the reciol is nil and you gen buy shells for $10 a box. No scope to go wrong, and your not going to feel bad about bouncing it off the tree when your getting in your stand. I couldn't tell you what a marlin costs anymore but any old pawn shop would have one.
     
  11. rich53139

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    I have to agree with liljake on his input. I have been hunting in northwestern Wisconsin for 30years and have carried a multitude of firearms ranging from 357 mag handgun to the 300 Win mag. And the 3030 is all you really need in the woods in that part of the state. Most shots are within 100 yards, most likely within 50 and the 3030 has got the job done on very many of my outings. plus it is rather light compared to any of the other bolt action rifles I own and it shoulders rather quick when you are on adrive.
     
  12. billyhornsby

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    Mossberg 100 ATR or Savage Stevens----Billy
     
  13. jca6

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    go for the mossy atr in 30-06. this gun and round combo can do just anything in north america
     
  14. Papadoodles

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    I don't want to be whatever you want to call it.....BUT,

    hogana asked this question in NOV 2005. He was last on the forum in DEC 2006......

    What makes you think he might still be interested in anyone's opinion????

    Dragging up OLD postings just tends to clutter up what folks are looking at!

    Just my opinion - and I'm entitled to it........
     
  15. stinkfoot

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    A 30-30 is about all the gun you need where you live. If you must have a bolt gun, I would recommend a Savage. I always buy guns that have sights on the barrel even though I scope my guns. Sight in the sights first then the scope. Trust me, if your in the boonies and your scope fails you can take the scope off and continue to hunt. Even though I am a 30-30 fan, my next choice would be the 30-06. I paid a lot of money one time on a new stainless Rem. 700 mouintain rifle in .270. It was a nice gun but could not come close to the plain jane Savage 30-06 I had. Paid twice for the Rem compared to the Savage at that time. The 30-06 is too much gun in my opinion for most hunting in the lower 48. But if you get one, you can console yourself in the fact that you ARE carrying more gun than is needed for anyhing from moose to praire dags. Happy days...
     
  16. Ruger 77

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    I got a M38 at a gunshow today for $140. The 7.62x54R seems to be an adequate deer round, so it would be remiss not to mention this.

    R77
     
  17. YellowHorse

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    Re: re: Budget Deer Rifle for White Tails

    I have an m44, which is basicaly a m38 with a bayonet.
    I got it for $90. The 7.62x54r do easily take deer.
    My friend has used his m91/30 (also bought for $90) to hunt elk.

    Unfortunately the state I live in, The Peoples Socialist Republic of Kaliforniacanishistan, has several counties that just banned the use of lead rounds for hunting :x
     
  18. planeoldguy

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    Big 5 has Steyr M95 8X56r rifles for 79.95 this week, picking one up tomorrow.
     
  19. smilerman115

    smilerman115 New Member

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    budget rifle for deer???? WQhy not get a Mosin nagant and 2 packs of ammo for ^-7 bucks a pack of 20 thats enough to find a good group and take that deer you want!