wts dreilling tripple barrel "yes 3 barrels not 2"

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  1. goose

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    this is an old dreilling tripple barrel made in germany
    the top 2 barrels were 16 guage and if i am not mistaken one is full choke and one is 3/4 choke
    under those barrels is a 9.3 X 72r riffle round

    no i am not mistaken it is not 9.3 X 74 it is definately 72

    My father has had this for some time and it has had custom stock work done on it at some poit in its life

    it is very functional not a hanger and not in bad shape ..one of his nicest rifles in my opinion

    he had custom dies made by rcbs for the specs listed on the old boxes of german amunition he picked up a long time ago.

    he also has empty brass for it with the americanized primer pocket instead of the german boxer primers.

    these ensure that you can still load them with modernized reloading equipment.

    there is no set value on this item due to its nature.
    it is basically worth what the highest interested party will pay.

    the lowest we have ever seen one of these go for is 3

    if it had the origional box or case a person could set their own price but in this instance there is no case with it just the riffle/shotgun

    these were made for wild boar safaris from what our research has found.
     
  2. luv2safari

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    "the lowest...is 3"...3 what? Hundred?

    Do you have digital photos of this drilling?
     

  3. goose

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    3 thousand was the cheapest he has ever seen one go for at a gun show.

    but like i said in the post it sort of one of those guns that is worth what perspective buyers think it is worth due to its nature.

    atleast that is what the general consunsus is on these things from any gunsmith or apraisal

    if you want to provide your email address i can definately get you some digital pictures.
    he recently took some of several of his riffles and sent them to scheels allsports' gun buyer to see if they would be interested as they seam to always give fair prices.
     
  4. luv2safari

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    Goose,

    With all due respect, you will need to set your sights a bit lower with a 16/9,3x72r. These are some of the least desirable configurations that one can still find ammo for.

    I have collected drillings for 42 of my 57 years and know the breed. I've used drillings in the lower US, Canada, Mexico, and Africa. If the stock isn't original, it knocks the value even more. While the asking price of many drillings at gun shows is high, the selling price is quite different.

    I'll give you a "for instance". I last year bought a Charles Dailey sidelock/sidecock ("made in Prussia J.P. Sauer) in 12/12/30-30 for $1,475.00. The asking price on the tag was $4,200.00! The real value of the gun in its good general condition with a somewhat short LOP was about $2,000.00, but cash talked. I can find average 16/9,3x72r drillings from $500.00 to $1,500.00, depending on condition. I recently bought a nice post war J.P. Sauer 3000 in 12/12/30-06 for $3,200.00...with a high quality German scope and claw mounts.

    You will see many advertised for $3,000.00 to $7,000.00 in every oddball caliber they ever made, but these never sell. You need to get an appraisal from someone who KNOWS drillings, like Chadick's, William Larkin Moore, Lee LeBas of L&L Sales...many more I could name. I could accurately appraise the gun, but I won't, since it is not correct for me to do so on this forum.

    Get it appraised...the actual cash value (ACV)...not the insurance value, which is always about double the ACV. You may have something special after all. I can't tell without holding it in my hands.

    Kindest Regards,
    Luv2
     
  5. goose

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    greatly appreciate the information. basically everyone he has had look at it gives him the speach about how it is only worth what the buyer is willing to pay. Mind you none of them really know what a dreilling is either.

    with this in mind he has it out on a few places looking for offers and will consider any offer that is resonable and i agree cash talks. it makes a big difference when you are wanting cash.
    if you like i can send you some pictures and if you know anyone interested let me know.

    here is his description of the gun

    German Drilling Double 16 Gauge 3” chambers & 9.3 x 72R Rifle barrel
    – peep
    sight, leaf sight, set trigger for rifle, stock replaced as original
    was broke
    off at lock plates – barrel marked 3 Krupp – rifle barrel 118 / 35 –
    Serial #
    11### – have reloading dies and brass for rifle available also
     
  6. goose

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    p.s.
    this is not a newer hammerless or americanized model

    this is one made in germany around the turn of the century
    3" brass shot shells and germany rounds for the riffle which still has all factory loading specs on the boxes.. he has the amercanizded brass as well. but this is not a newer model it is the older hammer model. he wanted me to see if what he is remembering is correct on the models you were pointing out.

    he is thinking that these are hammerless.

    i am no expert and do not want to offend you but his thoughts are that your talking newer models .
     
  7. goose

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    so what you are saying is my father who use to do gunsmithing does not know how to measure the bore??
     
  8. goose

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    if it was a 2 1/2" chamber it would not take a 3 inch brass
     
  9. luv2safari

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    It sure WOULD take three inch brass... This is a common mistake about chambers and chamber length. A crimped conventional shell opens up to much longer than its original crimped length, while brass shells had a different type of crimp that only partialy closes. When they both open up, they are about the same length.The brass shells are also much thinner walled at the front where they expand into the forcing cone, so they can be a bit longer without raising pressures.

    Your gun has a 65mm chamber; get used to the idea... :wink: Many 2 1/2" chambered guns and ALL 2 3/4" chambered guns will accept a 3" unfired shell...just DON'T SHOOT THEM in a shorter chamber! :twisted: :twisted: Doing so can almost double chamber pressures. :!: :evil: :evil:
     
  10. goose

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    so it will take an unfired 3 inch shell but not an fired one??

    just an fyi for you it will take a 3 inch fired shell (american shell)

    fully opened so get use to the idea it has a 3 inch chamber,

    Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    my dad has been collecting unusal arms since early 40's so he knows what he is refering to.

    none the less and no offense i am done with this conversation ..have a nice day.
     
  11. luv2safari

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    Sorry to tell you, goose, you are not going to find a 3" 16 gauge shell. There is no such thing. If it were a 12 or a 20, that would be a different story. The longest 16 gauge shell ever made was a 2.73" roll crimp shell that opened to 3".

    Facts are facts, and we are talking about something I've specialized in for 46 years. Please be careful, my friend. I don't want bad things to happen to good gun enthusiasts...for sure ones who have a fascination with drillings and combo guns. :D :wink:
     
  12. Drop-Shot

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    That drilling sounds like a good show piece goose,the older guns in gereral did not require a proof stamp,showing the steel could handle smokeless powder and the pressure that they can expose the shooter to.Find a good gunsmith and talk to him about drillings,the most experienced drilling owner is right here on shooting world,luv2safari.As for me,my only experience was with an old drilling that required brass shotgun shells to flow and fill the chamber with 2 1/2 inch 16 guage shell,the flow of the shell prevented pressure from coming back to the breech.I can't remmember exactly what caliber was the centerfire bore,but it wasn't 9.3X72.The man that shot it with a 16 guage duck and phesant load woke up in the hospital,1 eye was gone and the area that held the eye in was gone,I was young and asked what happened?It was explained that a non proof shotgun drilling was shot with smokeless powder,the old gun was ment for 2 1/2 inch solid brass shells,the small amount of brass on the new shell could not expand enough to stop pressure,the pressure came back and busted the non proof shell and reciever and his right side of his face was gone.I'm not telling you this to scare you but to enlighten you.Try to find the age of the drilling,old don't always mean good,listen to the most experienced drilling owner and user,luv2safari.He has used them for years and has nothing to gain or lose by telling you not to use modern ammo in an older gun.If shooting it is a problem then make it a show piece.Try to find the age and that will tell you what kind of ammo you can use.There are tons of books on the drillings and finding the age.Be carefull but not too many years ago we used brass shells 2 1/2 inch,not 2 3/4 that could be too much for that aged beauty.Don't listen to me ,do research,inform your self,and about that rifle 9.3X72.I have a stanley cylinder head boroscope,it's only 10 inches long but if you look with a boroscope(gunsmith thats familiar with drillings)you can see the breech,headspaced area and check for small cracks right before the lands and grooves,thats quite a shell for an older drilling,load down if throat is ok. work safe goose and inform yourself.I was 10 feet from a blowup on a colt single action army and thats something i hope you never hear or be apart of.We only have known you for a few months but we would feel guilty if we didn't give you the warnings with older guns.Try to find old pictures of blowups and think of yourself being there.Take care buddy old may not be too great.Drop-Shot
     
  13. Anonymous

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    re: wts dreilling tripple barrel "yes 3 barrels not 2&q

    Hey goose go to www.thedrillinghotline.com and they can tell you more about what it's worth.I bought an old parker shotgun,double barrell but damascus steel,it was a 12 guage,I brought it to a gunsmith that is dead now but at that time he was one of the best.He said,"Good show piece" I want to use it I said and he told me to never,never,fire that shotgun.It had some fancy scroll work but not gold or silver.That was in the 70's and he said he would take it to a gun show where parkers and merkels and Kriegoffs were sported.I sold it for 750.00 and was glad to sell it,I don't have alot of use for guns to look at,when I get better I will shoot all of the guns I own,some look good but not the show piece you have.Have you determined the manufacturer?The web site above will ask alot of questions and may want to purchase it himself.The fact that the rifle is the second most powerfull 9.3X74r is the big daddy and shells are still avalible through that web site.He will ask if the shotgun bore is 65mm or 73mm and the serial #so give him a look see.Drop-Shot
     
  14. Drop-Shot

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    re: wts dreilling tripple barrel "yes 3 barrels not 2&q

    Sorry goose that was me Drop-Shot,I mispunched a letter for the second time,I wanted to go to bassmasters.com and I think my B on the keyboard is not working some times and I went to a site for homo's porn so I cleared my cookies and files and forgot to log in shootingworld,my bad.Drop-Shot
     
  15. grimel

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    Re: re: wts dreilling tripple barrel "yes 3 barrels not

    I'd give $50 for a picture of your face when that sight popped up. Was that supposed to read "so I tossed my cookies "? I'm wipping tears from my eyes visualizing your reaction to that sight.
     
  16. asmith5

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    LOL.
     
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    hahahahaha :lol: :lol:
     
  18. luv2safari

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    re: wts dreilling tripple barrel "yes 3 barrels not 2&q

    Uhhh...Drop-Shot, If you ever take up my invitation to hunt grouse up by Libby, you walk in front...OK, Buddy? :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:
     
  19. goose

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    re: wts dreilling tripple barrel "yes 3 barrels not 2&q

    i do understand all of your concerns but also take into consideration my dad has been doing this since early 40's

    he doesn't even believe in go gagues ..

    the man is so thorough and old fashione that he takes tight metal or type metal casts of the breach and sometimes the whole barrel

    as far as shells he personally prefers paper shells and that is what he handloads.

    there is not a gun he owns that he does not do his own custom loading for.

    wait i take that bact the 1860 danial more pistol he does not load for and very rarely fires. only found 50 total rounds for it being that it is a 32 long colt rimfire.

    the man has everything from old springfield cival war riffle up to current berettal solid nicle 3 1/2 mag 12 guage semi auto shotguns which beretta will tell you does not exist till you give the cia trace number then its another story.

    as far as the damascus gun i would agree with the gunsmith .

    my dad has some he kept for references to show what it can do.

    one of wich was mising a good 3 inches that looked like a bananna peel at the breach. he also has an old muzleloader percusion cap double barrel that blew the nipple straight out of it. Bought it for a hanger.

    i do apreciate your guys concerns but i still have to beg to differ that my old man knows his stuff .

    now i am sure there are some areas you each may know more in but at the same time keep in mind every gun you can mention
    i would bet my paycheck on it that he has either shot one done gunsmithing on one or owned one. with very few exceptions.

    he is not a typical gun collecter persay.. he likes to find those one of a kind guns that do not exist or are very uncommen so to speak.
    ( i think he does just so he can say it does exist see i have one)

    as far as your typical collecter guns he bought sold and traded those for 50 plus years the only ones he kept were the very unusual ones. or ones that belonged to his father. numeros of his old riffles were handed down by his father, uncles and great uncles. sort of the self proclaimed family gun nut so they always ended up going down the line to him.